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Subject: Re: XYS-FRIENDS: ~{N*J2C4PhR*PB;zFw~}
Author: Zhiping You <zhiping@mathworks.com> at ~INTERNET
Date: 6/1/98 9:04 AM
A while ago, you mentioned that XYS-site was listed as a reference site
for Asian-study department in several universities. How about applying for
sponsorship from these departments? According to MaLan, somebody just
donated tons of money to Yale, and specified to be used for Asian-study.
With your writing power plus the strong statistical data from XYS-site, I
am sure you can convince a lot of department chairman (or chairwoman).
Just my 2c.
~{#-#-Mr>+SM#-#-~}
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>Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:14:39 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Deng Jingyang <jdeng@cs.UManitoba.CA>
>FreeBSD and Linux are different systems.
>
Sorry about the confusion, freeBSD and Linux
are actually two different OS. I bought some
Linux shareware CDs two years ago,they put
those two together,that's where I got the idea.
Thanks
windover（筋斗云）
windover@hotmail.com
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> ~{!!!!S&8CJG?IPP5D#,~}FreeBSD~{JG~}Linux~{5DR;2?7V#,~}
no, it is not.
> ~{L}K5NH6(PT;9?IRT#,Hm<~1>ImNJLbS&8C2;4s!#NJLbJG~}
FreeBSD is very stable, better than solaris2.5.1.
--ahmay
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From: "Ming L. Pei" <pei@chinapage.org>
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Shi-min is calling for money contribution to support the operation of xys.
The idea is to find $5,000 to purchase a server. There has been a number
of discussions about how get one cheap.
IMHO, buying a server for xys may be the wrong way to operate. Let me
explain:
(1) One can spend $5,000 for a machine. But it does not last forever. The useful
life of a computer is probably only two years. This means that the cost is
$200 per month. Even if you assume that the machine will last 4 years, it
still costs $100 per month.
(2) Buying the server is only half the expenses. Currently, I believe, xys uses
Netix
as the ISP to provide the access to the Internet. According to the
homepage
of Netix (www.netix.com), they charge $150 per month, after you buy the
server.
Adding the two, the monthly cost becomes $350 per month (or $250 per mo). This
is very expensive.
Next point. xys is growing very fast. This means that one should not buy! If
you
buy based on the current traffic volume, you will need a new machine. If you
buy
based on the future traffic volume, you have excess capacity which is wasteful.
Why buy, if you can rent?
There are hundreds of ISP which can provide better service at lower cost. Pick
one
where xys only represents 1% or less of their total capacity. Let me give one
example:
9Netavenue has a Pro Plan at $40 per month. This give you 100 MB of disc space,
5,000 MB of monthly data transfer, $0.08 over, with multiple OC3's to UUnet.
This is much faster than Netix, I am sure. Details from www.9netave.net
I am NOT proposing that you use this company. Only to show that there are many
companies like it who can provide xys with faster and adequate bandwidth for
a total price of around $50 per month.
If xys can raise $10,000 and if you rent instead of buy, then the interest
income from the
capital will keep xys financial secure for a long time.
If xys cannot raise $10,000 all at once, I am sure that we the readers of xys
can raise
enough to pay for the current expense at least. I for one will pledge my
financial support
to this wonderful project by Mr. Fang.
Ming L. Pei
pei@chinapage.org
www.chinapage.org
Deng Jingyang wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Dan Windover wrote:
>
> > >~{SP<8N;MxSQ6<=(RiNRCGHg9{G.2;9;#,S&8CBr~}PC~{E\~}FreeBSD
> > >~{?IRTJ!:\6`G.!#SP<88v8_AwA?5DMxV7#,0|@(~}Yahoo!~{:M~}imdb
> > >~{>]K56<JGUbC48I5D!#4s<R>u5CTuC4Qy#?~}
> > >
> > >~{7=V[WS~}
> > >
> >
> > ~{!!!!S&8CJG?IPP5D#,~}FreeBSD~{JG~}Linux~{5DR;2?7V#,~}
> > ~{L}K5NH6(PT;9?IRT#,Hm<~1>ImNJLbS&8C2;4s!#NJLbJG~}
> > PC~{5DS2<~EdVCD\2;D\4o5=KyPh5DR*Gs#?~}
> >
>
> FreeBSD and Linux are different systems.
>
> Use a multi-CPU PC, it can kick a low-end Ultra's butt. But I am not sure
> if the newst version of FreeBSD can really take advantage of multi-CPU
> like NT.
>
> > windover~{#(=n67TF#)~}
> > windover@hotmail.com
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From: Shi-min Fang <fang@xys.org>
To: "Ming L. Pei" <pei@chinapage.org>
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Subject: Re: XYS-FRIENDS: ~{N*J2C4PhR*PB;zFw~}
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On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Ming L. Pei wrote:
> (2) Buying the server is only half the expenses. Currently, I believe, xys uses
> Netix
> as the ISP to provide the access to the Internet. According to the
> homepage
> of Netix (www.netix.com), they charge $150 per month, after you buy the
> server.
> Adding the two, the monthly cost becomes $350 per month (or $250 per mo). This
> is very expensive.
Initially xys was charged $ 150 per month, but now we pay $ 300 per month
for the networking rent, because, they said, we are using their
co-location service instead of Web hosting. If we can find a better deal,
we can move, but that can only happen when we have our own machine.
> example:
> 9Netavenue has a Pro Plan at $40 per month. This give you 100 MB of disc space,
> 5,000 MB of monthly data transfer, $0.08 over, with multiple OC3's to UUnet.
The current traffic of xys is more than 30 GB of monthly data transfer,
that means we need to pay $2,000 extra per month. There are other ISPs
will charge less ($20-30/GB), but still more expensive than the current
cost. This kind of Web hosting service is not as good as it sounds. They
are targeting low traffic Web pages. For a highl traffic site like xys,
co-location is a better choice, but it requirs we have our own machine.
Also, this kind of Web hosting usually doesn't allow advertisements, that
means we have to totally depend on donation to pay the expense.
> enough to pay for the current expense at least. I for one will pledge my
> financial support
> to this wonderful project by Mr. Fang.
>
Thank you.
zhouzi
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To: Zhiping You <zhiping@mathworks.com>
From: Eddie Cheng <chenge@intergate.bc.ca>
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At 10:08 98-6-1 -0400, you wrote:
>A while ago, you mentioned that XYS-site was listed as a reference site
>for Asian-study department in several universities. How about applying for
>sponsorship from these departments? According to MaLan, somebody just
>donated tons of money to Yale, and specified to be used for Asian-study.
>With your writing power plus the strong statistical data from XYS-site, I
>am sure you can convince a lot of department chairman (or chairwoman).
Those departments don't have a lot of money themselves. But what we
could do is to contact them and get some kind of testimonies from them, and
then go to where the big money is, like the Ford Foundation, National
Endowment of Arts, National Endowment of Education, etc.. Just go find a
good TV show on PBS, and look at their sponsor list. :)
To do this, we need to write up a lot of ducuments and propoganda.
But I suspect the most useful things are testimonies and recommendation
letters. If we can get some real strong ones from big universities, I think
we are in the game.
Eddie
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Chinese people find new life on Internet
MORE than 1,800 years after Cai Lun of the Eastern Han Dynasty (AD
25-220) invented paper-making, and 1,000 years
after Bi Sheng of the Song Dynasty (AD 960-1279) invented movable
type, their descendants in China are looking to the
non-paper Internet for information and creative enjoyment.
For many Chinese bookworms, the lamp, book and cup of tea that were
part of the traditional reader's life have been
replaced by the flickering computer screen, a buzzing modem, and a
magic mouse. Some may lament the lack of poetic
appeal in this change. But the fact is more and more Chinese are
jettisoning their old reading habits.
The number of Internet subscribers in China has climbed to at least
620,000 this year, according to official statistics. The
number of actual users is about three or four times higher, given that
many people share accounts.
The number will increase dramatically in the next three years,
according to Zhang Zhuxin, president of China Infohighway
Communications Co Ltd, one of the pioneering firms in getting China
wired to the Internet, and which now has 50,000
subscribers and eight branches across the country.
"It's only the tip of the iceberg," said Zhang.
Yet no one can afford to ignore this tip, when you are operating in a
nation of 1.2 billion people.
Since language is the main block to many Chinese surfers, Web sites in
Chinese have proven to be of great popularity.
So far, about 80 Chinese newspapers have launched their electronic
editions on the World Wide Web, including People's
Daily, which continues to be the site most frequently visited in China.
China Daily, the only national English language newspaper in China,
also has its electronic pages on the World Wide Web,
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn and http://www.chinadaily.net.
Apart from newspapers, new Web sites have been sprouting up offering
readers on-line magazines, providing both in-depth
stories and references to the huge collections of Chinese literary
works, ancient, modern and contemporary.
"You name it. We have it, " one Chinese Web site claims on its logo
for its literary collections. Even though it is still far from
its declared capacity, these sites have proven to be exciting
experiences for on-line readers.
Want to check out the works of Wang Meng, contemporary Chinese writer
and pioneer of the "stream of consciousness" in
the mainland? It's only several keystrokes away at http://www.xys.org,
a Web site set up in 1997 by a group of overseas
Chinese. The same is true if one wants to download the magic-realism
stories of Su Tong, author of Zhang Yimou's
prize-winning film, "Raise High the Red Lantern." Tired of going site
after site looking for Wang Shuo's novel "Playing for
Thrills?" Go to http://www.search.com.cn, or http://www.sohoo.com.cn
or http://www.cseek.com. Either of these search
engines specially tailored for Chinese users will surely offer a
satisfactory list of Wang's controversial novels.
Apart from contemporary and modern Chinese literary works, some
Chinese Web sites have managed to collect some of
the most famous ancient Chinese classics, such as the Confucian
classics and strategist "Sun Zi's Art of War," some of
which one would not have easy access to in a local library because it
might be their only copy.
The Web has broken down the walls of libraries, according to Yan Feng,
one of the two co-authors of a book, "Living
inside the Web," published recently by the People's University Press.
But libraries at the same time are gaining their position on the Web.
The National Library of China, China's best-equipped
national library and Asia's largest warehouse of the printed word --
with over 20 million books -- opened its own Web
page (http://www.nlc.gov.cn) last year, providing indices to its wide
range of data, information and references. Shanghai
Library, the metropolis' brand new library opened to the public last
year, also launched its Web site
(http://www.libnet.sh.cn) at the same time.
Yan goes on in his book co-written with Pu Wei, to say that
print-based libraries will finally fade into the attic of history, and
be replaced by on-line literary sources.
Whether Yan's prophecy comes true or not, some Web publications are
beginning to displace conventional paper-print
media.
At http://www.nease.net/~rabbitty, a personal site hosted by Teng Yan,
a programmer in Beijing, visitors are invited to post
their literary creations. The host comments on the poems and articles
submitted.
Zeng Xiaowen, a student of communications born in Taiwan Province, set
up her own home page to post her literary
writings. "The Net People" (Wang Ren), a short story depicting how
electronic mail via the Internet affects two lonely
overseas Chinese students, won her a prize from a major newspaper in
the island. Readers, the most popular digest
magazine on the Chinese mainland, reprinted the story last year.
These Web sites reserving space for Internet users' creative literary
writings have formed another voice outside the
mainstream literary voice of China, said Yan.
Even though some critics have called it the death of the novel as we
know it, hyperfiction -- or the Internet-born, electronic,
interactive novel -- has also sparked literary interest in China.
Both commercial Web sites and personal ones have started to set
stories rolling. At the site of East Echo
(http://eastecho.yeah.net), a personal site, the story chain of
"Unearthly Man" (Yi Ren), a hyperfictional work begun by the
host, has been rolling on for about five months. "Subway" (Di Tie),
the first hyperfiction piece on the site, has been growing
ever since the launch of the site in March 1997.
Hyperfiction, though in its embryonic stage, could be perceived as a
threat to the traditional novel, Yan said. The threat is
based on the main characteristic of hyperfiction, he added -- that it
is three-dimensional, allowing the reader to determine
the path the story will take.
Martin Heidegger, German philosopher and one of the main exponents of
20th-century Existentialism, once argued in his
magnum opus "Being and Time," that man might alienate himself, owing
to the development of modern technology.
As the most dramatic achievement of modern technology, the Internet,
however, does not lead bookish Chinese into "a
highly inauthentic way of being," remarked Zhang Shuxin. "Maybe we
could take man's life on the net as another major form
of being," said Zhang.
In fact, Zhang's hypothesis is one of the themes that both on-line
readers and off-line scholars care about. Yan's book is
only one of a series of books dedicated to the debate of the shape and
texture of life in networked China.
Gao Dayong, host of East Echo, said that he has not read these books,
which mostly aim to popularize the use of Internet.
As a graduate of computer science, Gao is now a full-time Website
designer. "The Internet has become an indispensable
part of my life," Gao said. Even though many Chinese won't get
"addicted" to the Web, they will surely find that they won't
feel right without entering Web life.
Meanwhile, the company Gao is working for has launched its highlight
page on the '98 World Cup at
http://www.worldcup.com.cn. "It's going to be a high-demand site,"
said Gao.
Date: 06/01/98
Author: Ji Tao
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Shi-min:
I know you do not trust other ISP who seem to offer better prices. But
for $300/month charged by the present ISP, I urge to at least investigate
other possiblities.
Please look at <www.topchoice.com> for instance.
Topchoice.com has over 10,000 virtual domains right now. It is not a
small, unreliable company. It's business plan appears to want to grow
even bigger. It clearly states that it gives you 150MB of disk space and
unlimited monthly transfers. The price is $25 per month.
I have been using this company without any problems. I think you should
give them a try. It is unlikely that they would change their pricing policy
next month just because of you. They have 10,000 other customers to
think about.
I have gone through several ISPs in the past few years. IT is my feeling that
many of the smaller ISPs can no longer compete with these larger ISPs on
both prices, and 24/7 tech support service, and therefore may go out of
business sooner or later. These large ISPs specialize in hosting only. They
make money because they have 10,000 accounts. As long as you are less
than 0.1% of the business, they do not to worry too much about traffic volume.
You have been told that because of 30GB of traffic, you have to use a server.
This may be the pricing policy of a particular ISP. It is NOT the real reason
for anyone to switch to co-location or server. Using a server is inherently more
expense, because it allows you to have private relational database, your own
computer programs, and high-speed response to user's inquiries. XYS does
not need these things. Just because xys has high traffic, it is still cheaper for
the ISP to service you as an ordinary customer rather than to use a server.
As a business, they can decide to charge a flat rate or on a per GB basis.
That is their business decision. AOL used to charge by the hour, and they
switch to a flat rate schedule, for instance.
Topchoice.com is not the only ISP to adopt an unlimited traffic model. There
are others I know about and use. So they are real.
Why not investigate?
Regards,
Ming
P.S. If you really want to stay with your current ISP, at least gather the data
and use it to bargin with your ISP for a cheaper price?
Shi-min Fang wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Ming L. Pei wrote:
>
> > (2) Buying the server is only half the expenses. Currently, I believe, xys uses
> > Netix
> > as the ISP to provide the access to the Internet. According to the
> > homepage
> > of Netix (www.netix.com), they charge $150 per month, after you buy the
> > server.
> > Adding the two, the monthly cost becomes $350 per month (or $250 per mo). This
> > is very expensive.
>
> Initially xys was charged $ 150 per month, but now we pay $ 300 per month
> for the networking rent, because, they said, we are using their
> co-location service instead of Web hosting. If we can find a better deal,
> we can move, but that can only happen when we have our own machine.
>
> > example:
> > 9Netavenue has a Pro Plan at $40 per month. This give you 100 MB of disc space,
> > 5,000 MB of monthly data transfer, $0.08 over, with multiple OC3's to UUnet.
>
> The current traffic of xys is more than 30 GB of monthly data transfer,
> that means we need to pay $2,000 extra per month. There are other ISPs
> will charge less ($20-30/GB), but still more expensive than the current
> cost. This kind of Web hosting service is not as good as it sounds. They
> are targeting low traffic Web pages. For a highl traffic site like xys,
> co-location is a better choice, but it requirs we have our own machine.
> Also, this kind of Web hosting usually doesn't allow advertisements, that
> means we have to totally depend on donation to pay the expense.
>
> > enough to pay for the current expense at least. I for one will pledge my
> > financial support
> > to this wonderful project by Mr. Fang.
> >
> Thank you.
>
> zhouzi
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Aha! is we are the only one they mentioned as an
oversea Web site?=20
Ping Koo
On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Shi-min Fang wrote:
> ~{!0PBSoK?!1DGC46`6+Nw#,H4F+F+LaMuCI5D#,UbN;<GU_?IUf;aLt!#~}
>=20
> Chinese people find new life on Internet=20
>=20
> MORE than 1,800 years after Cai Lun of the Eastern Han Dynasty (AD
> 25-220) invented paper-making, and 1,000 years
> after Bi Sheng of the Song Dynasty (AD 960-1279) invented movable
> type, their descendants in China are looking to the
> non-paper Internet for information and creative enjoyment.=20
>=20
> For many Chinese bookworms, the lamp, book and cup of tea that were
> part of the traditional reader's life have been
> replaced by the flickering computer screen, a buzzing modem, and a
> magic mouse. Some may lament the lack of poetic
> appeal in this change. But the fact is more and more Chinese are
> jettisoning their old reading habits.=20
>=20
> The number of Internet subscribers in China has climbed to at least
> 620,000 this year, according to official statistics. The
> number of actual users is about three or four times higher, given th=
at
> many people share accounts.=20
>=20
> The number will increase dramatically in the next three years,
> according to Zhang Zhuxin, president of China Infohighway
> Communications Co Ltd, one of the pioneering firms in getting China
> wired to the Internet, and which now has 50,000
> subscribers and eight branches across the country.=20
>=20
> "It's only the tip of the iceberg," said Zhang.=20
>=20
> Yet no one can afford to ignore this tip, when you are operating in =
a
> nation of 1.2 billion people.=20
>=20
> Since language is the main block to many Chinese surfers, Web sites =
in
> Chinese have proven to be of great popularity.=20
>=20
> So far, about 80 Chinese newspapers have launched their electronic
> editions on the World Wide Web, including People's
> Daily, which continues to be the site most frequently visited in Chi=
na.=20
>=20
> China Daily, the only national English language newspaper in China,
> also has its electronic pages on the World Wide Web,
> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn and http://www.chinadaily.net.=20
>=20
> Apart from newspapers, new Web sites have been sprouting up offering
> readers on-line magazines, providing both in-depth
> stories and references to the huge collections of Chinese literary
> works, ancient, modern and contemporary.=20
>=20
> "You name it. We have it, " one Chinese Web site claims on its logo
> for its literary collections. Even though it is still far from
> its declared capacity, these sites have proven to be exciting
> experiences for on-line readers.=20
>=20
> Want to check out the works of Wang Meng, contemporary Chinese write=
r
> and pioneer of the "stream of consciousness" in
> the mainland? It's only several keystrokes away at http://www.xys.or=
g,
> a Web site set up in 1997 by a group of overseas
> Chinese. The same is true if one wants to download the magic-realism
> stories of Su Tong, author of Zhang Yimou's
> prize-winning film, "Raise High the Red Lantern." Tired of going sit=
e
> after site looking for Wang Shuo's novel "Playing for
> Thrills?" Go to http://www.search.com.cn, or http://www.sohoo.com.cn
> or http://www.cseek.com. Either of these search
> engines specially tailored for Chinese users will surely offer a
> satisfactory list of Wang's controversial novels.=20
>=20
> Apart from contemporary and modern Chinese literary works, some
> Chinese Web sites have managed to collect some of
> the most famous ancient Chinese classics, such as the Confucian
> classics and strategist "Sun Zi's Art of War," some of
> which one would not have easy access to in a local library because i=
t
> might be their only copy.=20
>=20
> The Web has broken down the walls of libraries, according to Yan Fen=
g,
> one of the two co-authors of a book, "Living
> inside the Web," published recently by the People's University Press=
=2E=20
>=20
> But libraries at the same time are gaining their position on the Web=
=2E
> The National Library of China, China's best-equipped
> national library and Asia's largest warehouse of the printed word --
> with over 20 million books -- opened its own Web
> page (http://www.nlc.gov.cn) last year, providing indices to its wid=
e
> range of data, information and references. Shanghai
> Library, the metropolis' brand new library opened to the public last
> year, also launched its Web site
> (http://www.libnet.sh.cn) at the same time.=20
>=20
> Yan goes on in his book co-written with Pu Wei, to say that
> print-based libraries will finally fade into the attic of history, and
> be replaced by on-line literary sources.=20
>=20
> Whether Yan's prophecy comes true or not, some Web publications are
> beginning to displace conventional paper-print
> media.=20
>=20
> At http://www.nease.net/~rabbitty, a personal site hosted by Teng Ya=
n,
> a programmer in Beijing, visitors are invited to post
> their literary creations. The host comments on the poems and article=
s
> submitted.=20
>=20
> Zeng Xiaowen, a student of communications born in Taiwan Province, s=
et
> up her own home page to post her literary
> writings. "The Net People" (Wang Ren), a short story depicting how
> electronic mail via the Internet affects two lonely
> overseas Chinese students, won her a prize from a major newspaper in
> the island. Readers, the most popular digest
> magazine on the Chinese mainland, reprinted the story last year.=20
>=20
> These Web sites reserving space for Internet users' creative literar=
y
> writings have formed another voice outside the
> mainstream literary voice of China, said Yan.=20
>=20
> Even though some critics have called it the death of the novel as we
> know it, hyperfiction -- or the Internet-born, electronic,
> interactive novel -- has also sparked literary interest in China.=20
>=20
> Both commercial Web sites and personal ones have started to set
> stories rolling. At the site of East Echo
> (http://eastecho.yeah.net), a personal site, the story chain of
> "Unearthly Man" (Yi Ren), a hyperfictional work begun by the
> host, has been rolling on for about five months. "Subway" (Di Tie),
> the first hyperfiction piece on the site, has been growing
> ever since the launch of the site in March 1997.=20
>=20
> Hyperfiction, though in its embryonic stage, could be perceived as a
> threat to the traditional novel, Yan said. The threat is
> based on the main characteristic of hyperfiction, he added -- that i=
t
> is three-dimensional, allowing the reader to determine
> the path the story will take.=20
>=20
> Martin Heidegger, German philosopher and one of the main exponents o=
f
> 20th-century Existentialism, once argued in his
> magnum opus "Being and Time," that man might alienate himself, owing
> to the development of modern technology.=20
>=20
> As the most dramatic achievement of modern technology, the Internet,
> however, does not lead bookish Chinese into "a
> highly inauthentic way of being," remarked Zhang Shuxin. "Maybe we
> could take man's life on the net as another major form
> of being," said Zhang.=20
>=20
> In fact, Zhang's hypothesis is one of the themes that both on-line
> readers and off-line scholars care about. Yan's book is
> only one of a series of books dedicated to the debate of the shape a=
nd
> texture of life in networked China.=20
>=20
> Gao Dayong, host of East Echo, said that he has not read these books=
,
> which mostly aim to popularize the use of Internet.
> As a graduate of computer science, Gao is now a full-time Website
> designer. "The Internet has become an indispensable
> part of my life," Gao said. Even though many Chinese won't get
> "addicted" to the Web, they will surely find that they won't
> feel right without entering Web life.=20
>=20
> Meanwhile, the company Gao is working for has launched its highlight
> page on the '98 World Cup at
> http://www.worldcup.com.cn. "It's going to be a high-demand site,"
> said Gao.
>=20
> Date: 06/01/98
> Author: Ji Tao
> Copyright=A9 by China Daily=20
> ----------
> Personal homepage: http://www.xys.org/~fang/index.html
> http://www.cif.rochester.edu/users/sfang/
> XinYuSi homepage: http://www.xys.org
>=20
>=20
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At 11:36 PM 6/5/98 -0400, Ming L. Pei wrote:
>I know you do not trust other ISP who seem to offer better prices. But
>for $300/month charged by the present ISP, I urge to at least investigate
>other possiblities.
>Please look at <www.topchoice.com> for instance.
>Topchoice.com has over 10,000 virtual domains right now. It is not a
>small, unreliable company. It's business plan appears to want to grow
>even bigger. It clearly states that it gives you 150MB of disk space and
>unlimited monthly transfers. The price is $25 per month.
>
I sent them a message asking about the "unlimited traffic", and here is
their reply:
> Thanks for your interest in TopChoice!
> 40GB (and growing) of data transfer is outside what our unlimited plan is
> meant for. We can't host a site that transfer 40GB+ / month (it would cost
> us about $500/month in network fees for that type of bandwidth).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Erik
As I have mentioned before, there is not real "unlimited" for cheap
Web hosting service.
zhouzi
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At 06:22 PM 6/8/98 -0700, Eddie Cheng wrote:
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~{2*5DV$4J#(1(5@<{:s#)#,6<1mCw~}Julius Rosenberg~{V;JGKUA*<d5}WiV/5DMbN'HK~}
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Ex-spy offers Rosenberg account
Associated Press
New account: Retired KGB officer says wife was totally innocent
WASHINGTON (AP) - Breaking decades of silence on perhaps the most
sensational espionage case
of the Cold War, a retired Soviet spy says Julius Rosenberg helped organize
a 1940s espionage ring
for Moscow but was not directly involved in stealing U.S. secrets about the
atomic bomb.
Rosenberg and his wife Ethel were executed in the Sing Sing electric chair
in 1953 for what FBI
Director J. Edgar Hoover called the "crime of the century" - helping the
Soviet Union get their hands on
blueprints for the atomic bomb in World War II. The Rosenbergs went to
their deaths, the only
Americans ever executed for spying, insisting they were innocent.
The new twist in the long-argued story of treachery comes from Alexander
Feklisov, 83, a retired
KGB officer who has stepped forward with a detailed account of the
Rosenbergs' role.
Feklisov said he held clandestine meetings with Julius Rosenberg in New
York from 1943 to 1946 and
claims to be the only Soviet intelligence officer alive with firsthand
knowledge of the Rosenberg case.
He told The Washington Post, Cox News Service and The New York Times that
Rosenberg passed
valuable secrets about U.S. military electronics but played only a
peripheral role in Soviet atomic
espionage. And he said Ethel Rosenberg did not actively spy but probably
was aware that her husband
was involved.
He said neither he nor any other Soviet intelligence agent met Ethel
Rosenberg.
"She had nothing to do with this. She was completely innocent," Feklisov
said in an interview with The
New York Times in Moscow. The retired KGB officer also told his story to
The Washington Post,
Cox News Service and the cable television network Discovery Channel, airing
a documentary on the
case next Sunday.
The Rosenbergs were convicted of spying and conspiracy mainly on the
testimony of Ethel Rosenberg's
brother, David Greenglass, and his wife, Ruth, who were arrested for
conspiracy and confessed.
Greenglass named Julius Rosenberg as his recruiter and also implicated
Rosenberg's wife.
Feklisov said Julius Rosenberg recommended David Greenglass to him as a
possible recruit in 1944.
Greenglass worked as a mechanic at Los Alamos, N.M., where the first atomic
bombs were
assembled. Feklisov insists that Greenglass provided little of use to
Moscow, which had other valuable
spies at Los Alamos.
Feklisov says the principal contributions by Rosenberg were secrets about
U.S. military electronics. He
cited Rosenberg's passing of a fully functioning proximity fuse, a secret
World War II U.S. innovation
that enables an anti-aircraft missile to bring down its target without
hitting it.
Rosenberg assembled a duplicate proximity fuse from discarded spare parts
and smuggled it out of the
Emerson Radio Factory in New York City in December 1944.
"I have a Christmas present for the Red Army," Feklisov quotes Rosenberg as
telling him at their next
meeting.
1997 Associated Press
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At 05:30 PM 6/9/98 -0700, Eddie Cheng wrote:
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~{R;!" SIR ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE
On Tue, 12 May 1998, QZ wrote:
> The eating of our own words is the greatest sacrifice
> truth ever requires us.
> (Sir Conan Doyle: The Parasite)
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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Shi-min Fang wrote:
> ~{F@3v5DG0J.C{JG#:~}
> 1. Citizen Kane (1941) ~{9+Cq?-6w~}
> 2. Casablanca (1942) ~{?(Hx2<@<?(~}
> 3. Godfather (1972) ~{=L88~}
> 4. Gone win the Wind (1939) ~{F.~}
> 5. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) ~{0"@-2.5D@MBWK9~}
> 6. Wizard of Oz (1939) ~{0BWHNWJ&~}
> 7. The Graduate (1967) ~{1OR5Iz~}
> 8. On the Waterfront (1954) ~{TZK.1u~}
> 9. Schindler's List (1993) ~{PA5B@UC{5%~}
> 10. Singin' in the Rain (1952) ~{SjVPGz~}
The only one I haven't seen is [Lawrence of Arabia]. In fact, this is the
first time I hear it. I thought [It's a wonderful life] would be some
where in the top 10, but it didn't get there.
May be I am too shallow, it really takes a lot of patience to watch
[Citizen Kane]. I agree it has many unique stuff (considering it was made
over half century ago), but I get annoyed by the sound. It seems it's
always shouting.
If it's not for my son, I wouldn't have watched [Wizard of Oz]. And I
think this movie is especially good to watch with children around.
Among the 100 movies listed, there are about 15-20 that I haven't seen.
Some of their names were even complete stranger to me. Now I know what to
check out the next time when I go to the library. Libraries are the best
places for old movies.
It's fun to talk about movies.
~{#-#-Mr>+SM#-#-~}
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> 6. Wizard of Oz (1939) ~{0BWHNWJ&~}
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At 10:58 98-6-17 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Shi-min Fang wrote:
>
>> ~{F@3v5DG0J.C{JG#:~}
>> 1. Citizen Kane (1941) ~{9+Cq?-6w~}
>> 2. Casablanca (1942) ~{?(Hx2<@<?(~}
>> 3. Godfather (1972) ~{=L88~}
>> 4. Gone win the Wind (1939) ~{F.~}
>> 5. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) ~{0"@-2.5D@MBWK9~}
>> 6. Wizard of Oz (1939) ~{0BWHNWJ&~}
>> 7. The Graduate (1967) ~{1OR5Iz~}
>> 8. On the Waterfront (1954) ~{TZK.1u~}
>> 9. Schindler's List (1993) ~{PA5B@UC{5%~}
>> 10. Singin' in the Rain (1952) ~{SjVPGz~}
>
>The only one I haven't seen is [Lawrence of Arabia]. In fact, this is the
>first time I hear it.
Don't bother. I didn't even get past the half of its first half
when I was watching it in a theater. Long and boring.
I would have put "The Graduate" much higher. It's quite ironic to
see it trailing the "Wizard of Oz". :)
How did the "Unbearable Lightness of Being" do?
Eddie
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>At 10:58 98-6-17 -0400, you wrote:
>>On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Shi-min Fang wrote:
>>
>>> ~{F@3v5DG0J.C{JG#:~}
>>> 1. Citizen Kane (1941) ~{9+Cq?-6w~}
>>> 2. Casablanca (1942) ~{?(Hx2<@<?(~}
>>> 3. Godfather (1972) ~{=L88~}
>>> 4. Gone win the Wind (1939) ~{F.~}
>>> 5. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) ~{0"@-2.5D@MBWK9~}
>>> 6. Wizard of Oz (1939) ~{0BWHNWJ&~}
>>> 7. The Graduate (1967) ~{1OR5Iz~}
>>> 8. On the Waterfront (1954) ~{TZK.1u~}
>>> 9. Schindler's List (1993) ~{PA5B@UC{5%~}
>>> 10. Singin' in the Rain (1952) ~{SjVPGz~}
>>
>>The only one I haven't seen is [Lawrence of Arabia]. In fact, this is
the
>>first time I hear it.
>
> Don't bother. I didn't even get past the half of its first
half
>when I was watching it in a theater. Long and boring.
>
> I would have put "The Graduate" much higher. It's quite ironic
to
>see it trailing the "Wizard of Oz". :)
>
> How did the "Unbearable Lightness of Being" do?
>
>
> Eddie
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Big Moneymaker or Not, Film Critic Names Personal 10 best
by David Elliot
The top 100 movies, as chosen in a poll of 1,500 "prominent Americans"
by the American Film Institute, is like a down payment on the Fortune 500.
Only U.S. movies knighted by King Box Office need apply.
you sniff a bit of red ink with "It's a Wonderful Life", but Frank Capra's
1946 flop recovered to become a hit. No.1, Orson Welles' "Citizen Kane", was
an instant success in fame, and later made solid profits (it cost, in 1941,
less than a million). Ditto Disney's "Fantasia" (No. 58).
Not on film on the AFI honors list is a loser on the books, not even "The
Manchurian Candidate" (No. 67), yanked into the vault when JFK was
assassinated. No chance here for glorious "failures" like "Intolerance",
"Sweet Smell of Success", "Greed", "Touch of Evil" or "Night of the Hunter".
We detect the invisible hand of profitable consensus (and the gold-plated
hand of Oscar).
Maybe it's a sign of integrity that "Titanic" did not flood the field.
And, say, how American is the Egypo-Brit "Lawrence of Arabia" (No. 5), or
the Anglo-Vienness "The Third Man" (No. 57)? They did make profits for our
studios.
Like any group effort in taste, this one is flawful. The absence of
"The Magnificient Ambersons" is nuts. Not even studio mangling can subtract
much from Orson Welles' most beautiful film.
Choosing an annual Top Ten is jeopardy duty. An all-time U.S. 10 is
crazy, but we offer it anyway. If the AFI can be silly and pompous, we
can be silly and --of course!-- right. Personal taste is the only taste
there really is.
Yes, I do love "Casablanca", but we don't need to round up all the
usual suspects. Just these:
1. "Citizen Kane" (AFI: 1) -- Obviously.
2. "Vertigo" (AFI: 61) -- The best romantic obsession on film, which
makes this 1958 Hitchcock stunner dear to all buffs, not just lovers of
Hitch, James Stewart, Kim Novak, San Francisco and total style.
3. "The Birth of a Nation" (AFI: 44) --Still colossal after 83 years,
D.W. Griffith's silent epic remains the best film about our most important
war, despite its shadow of racism.
4. "The Maltese Falcon" (AFI: 23) -- John Huston's stunning debut and
gem of studio efficiency (1941), the fountainhead of noir, and a crackling
ensemble machine with Bogart's best role.
5. "The General" (AFI: nope) -- Buster Keaton's silent salute (1926)
to the Civil War, to trains, to the beauty of movement beyond words, and
to comedy as a dream of life transformed.
6. "The Searchers" (AFI: 96) -- The ultimate western (1956) from the
ultimate wester maker (John Ford), with the ultimate western star (John
Wayne) in his best role. Therefore, ultimately American.
7. "Singin' in the Rain" (AFI: 10) -- From Stanley Donen and Gene
Kelly, the most joyful of musicals (1952) and Hollywood's sportiest ribbing
of itself.
8. "Sunset Boulevard" (AFI: 12) -- Hollywood's darkest ribbing of itself,
the Billy Wilder comedy (1950) of rotted glamour salutes the silent era with
great words, images and that gargoyle goddess, Gloria Swanson.
9. "The Godfather" (AFI: 3) -- A solemn, bloody, gorgeous summation of
the ganster genre (1972), topped by Marlon Brando and sustained by our
melancholy love of doomed family.
10. "Roman Holiday" (AFI: nope) -- Made in Rome (1953) by William Wyler,
this impeccable confection made a world star of Audrey Hepburn, gave Gregory
Peck his most charming role and is an unbeatably adult fairy tale.
(The San Diego Union-Tribune, June 17, 1998)
AFI's Top 100 List: The Ultimate Pitch
Commentary: The inevitably flawed compendium seems more focused on
marketing theconcept.
By KENNETH TURAN, Times Film Critic
fter months of carefully calibrated hoopla, the AFI 100 were
liberated before a
nationwide TV audience Tuesday night, bringing to mind Oscar Wilde's
famous
regret at having put his genius into his life, not his work.
As the real Hollywood art form is famously the deal rather than
the movie, sothe genius of the American Film Institute's 100 Greatest
American Movies of All Time compendium is almost exclusively in the
packaging and marketing, not the contents. And that turns out to be both
wasteful and a shame.
Of course, Wilde did put some genius into his work, and the AFI list
is not without strengths, including a Top 10 that is by and large solid and
respectable: "Citizen Kane," "Casablanca," "The Godfather," "Gone With the
Wind" , "Lawrence of Arabia," "The Wizard of Oz," "The Graduate,"
"On the Waterfront," "Schindler's List," "Singin' in the Rain."
It's fitting that 1939, often thought of as the pinnacle of American
filmmaking, has five
films in the top 100, adding "Stagecoach," "Wuthering Heights" and "Mr.
Smith Goes to Washington" to "Gone With the Wind" and "The Wizard
of Oz." Katharine Hepburn is the most represented actress, with four films,
while the durable Ward Bond, of all people, tops
everyone with seven appearances.
And given that today's youthful audience regards films made before
1980 as coming from the dawn of recorded time, the AFI list will without
doubt be valuable in bringing appreciative new audiences to pictures 30,
40, 50 years old and more that still rewardviewing today.
Which is why the omissions on the AFI list, an they are numerous, are
frankly a scandal. This is not the to-be-expected critical quibbling about
this or that obscure favorite not getting its place in the sun, the kind of
thing AFI Chairman Tom Pollock was thinking of when he grandly acknowledged
early in the process that people "will invariably disagree with some
choices." This, to put it in another context, is like making a list of 100
best American novels and forgetting about Hemingway and Fitzgerald.
Completely absent from the list are any works by three of the greatest
of Hollywood's comedy directors, men whose films were and continue
to be enormously popular and influential around the world. Where is the
brilliant silent clown Buster Keaton, easily the equal of Charlie Chaplin?
Where is Ernst Lubitsch, whose films ("Ninotchka," "Trouble in
Paradise," "Little Shop Around the Corner" and "To Be or Not to Be" among
them) remain models of romantic sophistication? And where is Pres
ton Sturges, whose rapid-fire comedies like "The Lady Eve" and "Sullivan's
Travels" set the standard for verbal humor? Not on the AFI list, that's where.
Wait, there's more. Not to be found on the AFI list are any of the
transporting dance films with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers, not to me
ntion the dazzling choreography of Busby Berkeley. Not to be found are any
of the films of Greta Garbo, arguably the greatest film actress of all
time, not even her heartbreaking "Camille." Not to be found is "Gunga
Din," without whose example everything from "Star Wars" to "Raiders of the
Lost Ark" might not have happened. No wonder Jean Firstenberg, the AFI's
director, seemed to be backing away from the list in a recent interview,
calling it only "a suggested exercise."
The paradox of the AFI 100 is that these omissions are so critical
because the institute, understandably desperate for money after funding cut
backs in Washington, did such a phenomenal job of selling the concept. Each
of the sponsors for Tuesday night's three-hour star-filled CBS special,
which included Cadillac, the U.S. Postal Service, Target Stores and
Blockbuster Video, paid a reported $2.3 million for their share, and
Newsweek, also a sponsor, comes out today with a special issue of the
magazine tied to the list.
More than that, the TNT network will be presenting a 10-part series of
one-hour specials focusing on the AFI 100 starting June 23. And, in wh
at is being described as an unprecedented display of cooperation, 13
studios and film companies have collaborated on a joint video release of
the 100 films, an event Video Store magazine called "the closest thing
to a generic ad campaign the rental industry has ever seen."
The results of this are not hard to see: Any film or filmmaker that
didn't squeeze into the top 100 will be, in effect, consigned to the
equivalent of the ninth circle of hell. While Keaton may not be measurably
harmed by his exclusion from the canon, the same can't be said for giants
like Lubitsch and Sturges, and that is close to criminal. If the AFI truly
took seriously its mission to "focus attention on the need to preserve
America's film heritage," it would have taken steps to ensure that that
didn't happen.
The problem started with the list of 400 films, prepared in-house by
the institute, that the 1,500 voters had to choose from. No one knows what
went on behind closed doors in the making of that list, but one factor that
seemed to carry weight with the compilers was which filmmakers could be
helpful to the institute in the here and now.
So while only one Keaton film ("The General") made the list of 400,
seven by Steven Spielberg were included, as were six by Martin Scorsese, as
opposed to four by Sturges and three by Lubitsch. When the British Film
Institute picked a recent list of the 360 most significant films worldwide,
it put some 60 silents on the list, roughly three times the AFI 400 number.
Because the deck was stacked this way, it's not surprising that only
four silents made the final selection and that Keaton was shut out while
Spielberg was the most chosen director with five films on the list.
Scorsese, whose grasp of film history is second to none, must be
embarrassed to find three of his films on the top 100 with such great names
shut out.
No list of the 1,500 voters has been released (for the record, critics
including myself were among them), but the AFI's description of the group
as "leaders from across the American film community" is not promising.
Just like you wouldn't want critics to be making films, as you
wouldn't necessarily want the people who run presses to pick the 100 best
American novels, so having a cross-section of actors, directors, writers,
agents and executives to pick the 100 best films is chancy at best. Not
because their taste is suspect, but because nothing in their job
descriptions makes it inevitably or even likely that they'll have a knowle
dge of the entire breadth of film history. When you use a group like that
as voters, you get the kind of skewering toward the familiar and the
obvious that the AFI got; the institute's list of 100 includes eight films
made between 1990 and 1996 and only 13 for the much wider span from 1912 to
1938.
Even if you take the list of 400 and the 1,500 voters as a given, the
responsible thing for the AFI to have done, given what a lasting impact
this list is likely to have, was to have a kind of oversight committee,
similar to the one the Pulitzer Prizes has, to correct any egregious
oversights. I'm not talking about critics; even Firstenberg and Pollock
would likely have corrected the most obvious flaws if they took their
mission seriously and had the chance.
But that would have disturbed the purity of the one-person, one-vote
gimmick and might have made the concept harder to sell to all-important
sponsors. When the choice came to doing what was right, to being
responsible both to history and to the future, or going with the money, the
AFI went with the money, and a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do this
right was squandered. Yes, they need the dollars desperately, but it still
doesn't seem like the best way to go.
(Los Angeles Times, Jun 17, 1998)
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Good friends,
Reveal themselves slowly
In the shimmer and shadow of living things,
In the tears and laughter of shared experiences.
There are three miracles of our Brother Jesus not yet
recorded in the Book:
the first that He was a man like you and me; the second
that He had a sense of humor; and the third that He knew
He was a conqueror though conquered.
~{5ZH}<~JGK{V*5@K{KdH;1;Uw7~#,6xH4JGR;8vUw7~U_!#~}
It is indeed misery if I stretch an empty hand to men and
receive nothing;
but it is hopelessnes if I stretch a full hand and find
none to receive.
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Topic: Mulan -- history and legend, poem and movie, east and west,
masculine and feminine
Time: 6/27, Sat. 2 pm
Where: Lake shore of Scripps Ranch Public Library
Diretion: From I-5 exit toward Sorrento Valley Blvd, go east,
merge onto Mira Mesa Blvd, go east until dead end, turn right
onto Scripps Ranch Dr., at the first light, turn left onto Lake
Scripps Dr., the first building on the right side is the library.
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At 11:56 PM 6/23/98 EST, yige wrote:
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Shi-min Fang wrote:
> ~{@I#,TZ11N:#,UbJGV;7b8x::WeJ?HK5DNeF7NDV0#,KD!"!09R>5L{;(;F!1JG::~}
^^
I don't have the poem with me, but I remember this is 'dui4', not 'gua4'.
May be I am wrong, it was almost 30 years ago when I could recite it.
~{#-#-Mr>+SM#-#-~}used to be able to recite most part of Chairman Mao's
quotation. :(
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>At 11:56 PM 6/23/98 EST, yige wrote:
>>
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, yige wrote:
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At 09:44 AM 6/24/98 -0400, Zhiping You wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Shi-min Fang wrote:
>
>> ~{@I#,TZ11N:#,UbJGV;7b8x::WeJ?HK5DNeF7NDV0#,KD!"!09R>5L{;(;F!1JG::~}
> ^^
>I don't have the poem with me, but I remember this is 'dui4', not 'gua4'.
>May be I am wrong, it was almost 30 years ago when I could recite it.
>
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At 23:46 98-6-24 -0500, Sunny Zhang wrote:
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>Ditto
> ----~{VUSZR25tR;4NJi4|!#~}:p
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~{H!!0Ht7I!16~WVWwN*WT<:5DC{WV!#2;9}:s@4:COsJGK@SZ7I;zJ'~}
~{JB#?<G2;GeAK!#9{UfHg4K#,DG!0Ht7I!16~WV593IAKZ_So!#~}
Yige
>Ditto
> ----~{VUSZR25tR;4NJi4|!#~}:p
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From: Shi-min Fang <fang@xys.org>
To: yige <yige@ttlc.net>
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, yige wrote:
>
> ~{TZ4KP;9}3>PV:M5N6`9CDo!#UbOB?IRT=;UJAK!#WrLl1;R;8v@OC@~}
> ~{M,JB@-W!R*Gs0QT-J+P4OB@4#,=a9{P4AKR;P!0k>MP42;OBH%AK!#~}
> ~{J.<8DjG0139}5D6+Nw5=5WH]RWM|!#~}
>
~{3>5DJG4SPBSoK?ND?bH!@45D#,5N6`5DSP<88v4mWV#(2_6/51N*2_Q+#,~}
~{0YG'=.51N*0YG'G?#,;o0i51N*;p0i#)!#51RTND?b0fN*W<!#
> ~{K55CSP@m!#Ub<8>d5DU{LeK.F=R*CwOT8_3vFdK|R;P)>dWS#,SHFd~}
> ~{JG!09XI=6HHt7I!1DG>d#,51DjMuHt7I6A5=Ub>dJ10.2;JMJV#,DK~}
> ~{H!!0Ht7I!16~WVWwN*WT<:5DC{WV!#2;9}:s@4:COsJGK@SZ7I;zJ'~}
> ~{JB#?<G2;GeAK!#9{UfHg4K#,DG!0Ht7I!16~WV593IAKZ_So!#~}
>
~{DG<8>dJGNDHKJ+5DLWB7#,OT5C2;BW2;@`!#6TUL9}SZ9$U{#,SCSoSVL+~}
~{5dQE#,OTH;JGLFHKKy<S!#~}
~{7=V[WS~}
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From: Sunny Zhang <szhang@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
To: Shi-min Fang <fang@xys.org>
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Subject: Re: XYS-FRIENDS: ~{K5!0D>@<!1~}
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Shi-min Fang wrote:
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> On Thu, 25 Jun 1998,
> ~{3>5DJG4SPBSoK?ND?bH!@45D#,5N6`5DSP<88v4mWV#(2_6/51N*2_Q+#,~}
> ~{0YG'=.51N*0YG'G?#,;o0i51N*;p0i#)!#51RTND?b0fN*W<!#
~{2_Q+#-#-JGRrN*?44mAK71LeWV#,2;:CRbK<!##:#)
~{!00YG'=.#(Ws1_N*!09-!1WVET#)!1VP#,!0=.#(9-ET#)!1Sk!0G?!1M,Re#,51!0
~{SPS`!1=2!#2;M,5D0f1>?ID\SC4J
~{2;R;Qy!##(NRJVM75DJGVl6+Hs1`5D!0VP9z@z4zNDQ'WwF7Q!!1#)!#
~{;o0i#-#-!0;o!1N*M(<Y4J!#5+T-NDH7J5JG!0;p0i!1#,OVTZ5DVPNDHm<~H4JG4r
~{2;3v@4AK!#~}:p
~{TYNJ!0?I:9!1R;4J#-#-Vl@OOHIz=bJMN*!0>}Vw!1#-#-JG::;J5[;9JGIYJ}CqWe
~{5D5X7=>}Vw#(?$Vw#?#)#?D>@<<HJG::HK#,N*:NR*SC!0?I:9!1#?
ditto
----~{Q'6xJ1O0V.!##:#)
>
> > ~{K55CSP@m!#Ub<8>d5DU{LeK.F=R*CwOT8_3vFdK|R;P)>dWS#,SHFd~}
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> >
>
> ~{DG<8>dJGNDHKJ+5DLWB7#,OT5C2;BW2;@`!#6TUL9}SZ9$U{#,SCSoSVL+~}
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> ~{!00YG'=3D.#(Ws1_N*!09-!1WVET#)!1VP#,!0=3D.#(9-ET#)!1Sk!0G?!1M,Re#,51!0
> ~{SPS`!1=3D2!#2;M,5D0f1>?ID\SC4J
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=A3~}
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> ~{2;3v@4AK!#~}:p
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>~{她的君主是鲜卑，当时的北方是少数民族当皇帝。北魏太武帝之前君主称可~}
>~{汗，之后按汉俗改称天子，木兰诗当做于这个过渡时期，才会可汗、天子混~}
>~{用。~}
>
>~{方舟子~}
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At 09:52 PM 6/24/98 +0800, tanglang wrote:
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Personal homepage: http://www.xys.org/~fang/index.html
http://www.cif.rochester.edu/users/sfang/
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From: Zhongning Wang <zhwang@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, yige wrote:
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> ~{JG!09XI=6HHt7I!1DG>d#,51DjMuHt7I6A5=Ub>dJ10.2;JMJV#,DK~}
> ~{H!!0Ht7I!16~WVWwN*WT<:5DC{WV!#2;9}:s@4:COsJGK@SZ7I;zJ'~}
> ~{JB#?<G2;GeAK!#9{UfHg4K#,DG!0Ht7I!16~WV593IAKZ_So!#~}
Yes! he dead in a air-accident with lots of CCP leaders and General
Ye Tin.
Drunk
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I long to speak the deepest words I have to say to you;
but I dare not, for fear
you should laugh.
That is why I laugh at myself and shatter my secret in jest.
I make light of my pain, afraid you should do so.
I long to tell you the turest words I have to say to you;
but I dare not, being afraid
that you would not believe them.
That is why I disguise them in untruth,
saying the contrary of what I mean.
I make my pain appear absurd, afraid that you should do so.
I long to use the most precious words I have for you;
but I dare not, fearing I
should not be paid with like value.
That is why I give you hard names and boast of my callus strength.
I hurt you, for fear you should never know any pain.
I long to sit silent by you;
but I dare not lest my heart come out at my lips.
That is why I prattle and chatter lightly and hide my heart behind
words.
I rudely handle my pain, for fear you should do so.
I long to go away from your side;
but I dare not, for fear my cowardice
should become known to you.
That is why I hold my head high and carelessly come into your presence.
It is a poem sent by a friend, some of you may need it
at some critical moments.
good luck!:-)
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